Will He Go? Trump’s Possible Meltdown In 2020

Will He Go? Trump And The Looming Election Meltdown In 2020, By Lawrence Douglas.

In advance of the 2020 election, legal scholar Lawrence Douglas prepares readers for a less-than-peaceful transition of power.

Trump To Unleash Mayhem

It doesn’t require a strong imagination to get a sense of the mayhem Trump will unleash if he loses a closely contested election. It is no less disturbing to imagine Trump still insisting that he is the rightful leader of the nation.

With millions of diehard supporters firmly believing that their revered president has been toppled by malignant forces of the Deep State, Trump could remain a force of constitutional chaos for years to come. WIL HE GO? addresses such questions as:Donald Trump Angry

1) How might Trump engineer his refusal to acknowledge electoral defeats? What legal and extra-legal paths could he pursue in mobilizing a challenge to the electoral outcome?

2) What legal, political, institutional, and popular mechanisms can be used to stop him?

3) What would be the fallout of a failure to remove him from office? What would be the fallout of a successful effort to unseat him?

4) Can our democracy snap back from Trump?

Trump himself has essentially told the nation he will never accept electoral defeat. A book that prepares us for Trump’s refusal to concede, then is hardly speculative; it is a necessary precaution against a coming crisis.

About The Author

Lawrence Douglas
Lawrence Douglas

Lawrence Douglas is the James J. Grossfeld Professor of Law, Jurisprudence and Social Thought at Amherst College. He is the prize-winning author of seven books, most recently, The Right Wrong Man; John Demjonjuk and the Last Great Nazi War Crimes Trail.

Vox Interview With Lawrence Douglas

This Interview with Douglas was done by Sean Iling, Vox Journalist.

Iling Question: #1

What worries you most about the November election?

Douglas Answer:

To say that we’re facing a perfect storm is cliched, but it does strike me that there are a lot of things coming together that could spell a chaotic election.

Foremost among them is the fact that we have a president of the United States who has a pretty consistently and aggressively telegraphed his intention not to concede in the face of an electoral defeat, especially if that electoral defeat is of a very narrow margin. And it looks like it probably will be a narrow margin. In all likelihood, the 2020 election is going to turn on the results in probably the three swing states that determined the results in 2016: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

The other concern is that if we do fall into an electoral crisis and we start seeing the kinds of challenges to the result that we saw back in year 2000, during Bush v Gore, then we could really see a meltdown because our contemporary political climate is so polarized. That’s what led me to start asking, what types of federal laws do we have in place? What kind of constitutional procedures do we have in place to right the ship?

And what I found is that they just don’t exist.

Iling Question #2:

Sean Iling
Sean Iling

What does that mean, exactly? Are we racing toward a constitutional crisis?

Douglas Answer:

In a word, Yes.

What makes our situation particularly dangerous is it’s not simply the statements that come out of Trump. We’re pretty used to Trump making statements that leave us all gobsmacked at this point. What worries me is that if there are going to be any guardrails protecting us from his attacks on the electoral process, it would have to come from the Republican Party. And we’ve seen that Republican lawmakers simply are not prepared to hold this guy to a account.

We saw that in the impeachment proceedings, where it was really astonishing that you have Mitt Romney as the only Republican voting in the Senate to remove the president. And it was only, what, eight years ago that Mitt Romney was the standard-bearer of the party in the national election.

It’s pretty disturbing erosion of democratic norms.

Iling Question #3:

If you’re right than the Republican Party isn’t going to stand up for the rule of law where does that leave us legally and politically?

Douglas Answer:

Loudest Republicans
Loudest Republicans

If you have a president who is really pushing that argument that fraud cost him the election, he really does have the opportunity to push things to Congress. And what I mean by that is that Congress is the body that ultimately tallies Electoral College votes.

It’s not inconceivable that you have states that submit competing electoral certificates. And I won’t go into the nitty-gritty about how that happens, but it can happen. And if that happens and you have a split Congress between the Senate Republicans and the House Democrats, there is basically no way to resolve the dispute.

Iling Question #4:

Let’s say that happens and we enter January 2021 without a political consensus on who won the election. What then?

Douglas Answer:

I’m not trying to be an alarmist here, but it’s possible to imagine, come January 20, that we don’t have a president. By the terms of the 20th Amendment, Trump ceases to be president at noon on January 20 and [Mike] Pence likewise ceases to be vice president.

At this point, by the terms of the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, could become acting president, but only if she resigns her House seat. But what if Trump continues to insist that he has been reelected and is the rightful president? Imagine if, come January 20, Trump stages his own inauguration ceremony with Clarence Thomas issuing the oath of office.

Then we might have Nancy Pelosi and Trump both claiming to be the commander in chief. This is a world of hurt.

Iling Question #5:

What about the Supreme Court?

Douglas Answer:

Supreme Court Justices
Supreme Court

I think a lot of people assume the Supreme Court would step in and end things before they got too chaotic. This is more or less what happened in 2000.

Bu it’s very misleading to think that it was the Supreme Court that settled the 2000 election. It really wasn’t the Supreme Court in the decision Bush v Gore that ended things-it was Al Gore. Al Gore, for the good of the country, decided to accept the Supreme Court’s ruling. I’d say it’s impossible to imagine Trump doing anything like that.

Besides, if it did intervene, I’m not sure that Congress would abide by a court ruling. Because so many experts say the Court really doesn’t have jurisdiction to resolve on electoral dispute once it hits Congress.

Iling Question: #6

Let’s imagine that the election happens and Biden wins convincingly enough that the vast majority of the country, even most Republicans, accept the outcome. In that case, Trump-and a small wing of hardliners-may refuse to concede but both parties basically accept the results.

What happens then? Would federal marshals have to go in and drag Trump out of the White House?

Douglas Answer:

Her’s the thing: That’s not the scenario I’m worried about. If Trump loses decisively, I think his opportunities for creating mayhem will be dramatically curtailed.

What worries me is that I don’t see him losing in that fashion. I could certainly imagine him losing decisively in the popular vote, as he did in 2016, but I can’t imagine him losing that decisively in the Electoral College. And everything will turn on what happens in these swing states.

This is going to be an election that is conducted under very unusual circumstances. There are going to be potentially chaotic scenes at polling stations, and god forbid there’s a fresh outbreak on COVID-19 in the fall. Then you’re also going to have millions of people voting by mail-in.Stop Covid 19

Iling Question #7:

Why is that a problem?

Douglas Answer:

Well, these mail-in ballots are not going to get counted by November 3. That gives someone like Trump space to create incredible chaos.

Imagine a swing state like Michigan. Imagine the November 3 popular vote appears to go to Trump by a small margin. So he declares that he’s won Michigan. And Michigan defines the margin of victory in the Electoral College, so he declares that he’s been reelected.

Well, as these write-in ballots and these mail-in ballots are counted in the next days, there’s this phenomenon that we’ve seen in the last several elections called the “blue shift.”

It tends to be the case that mail-in ballots break Democratic. It’s typically the case that mail-in ballots come from urban areas, which are predominantly Democratic in their voting patterns.

And so in this case, it’s entirely possible that Trump is trailing once all the votes are counted. But then he says, “Those votes are bogus, They shouldn’t be counted.” And if you look at the political profile of Michigan, again, you find this kind of perfect storm brewing, because the Republicans control the statehouse in Lansing. So let’s say they all support Trump, and they all say, “Yeah, we’re going to go with the Election Day results. We’re going to give our electoral votes all to Trump.

Then we’ve got total chaos.

Iling Question #8:

Governor of Michigan
Governor of Michigan-Gretchen Wilson

But the governor of Michigan is a Democrat, and my understanding is that it’s the governor along with the secretary of state and the board of electors, who send the electoral certificate to Congress.

Isn’t that right?

Douglas Answer:

That’s correct. It’s the governor who is responsible under federal law to send the electoral certificate of the state to Congress. But that is not to say that the state legislature is barred from sending its own certificate to Congress. You might say, “Well, then, isn’t the governor’s certificate the proper certificate? and the answer is that determination. And if one House accepts the governor’s certificate and the other accepts the legislature’s certificate, then we’re in a stalemate.

Iling Question #9:

So your main worry is not that the election will be stolen so much as we’ll be left without a result?

Douglas Answer:


Iling Question #10:

The situation you’re describing is almost unthinkable: We have an election and there’s’s simply no binding result.

Douglas Answer:

Again, I’m not trying to be an alarmist.

Iling Question #11:

This is pretty danm alarming Lawrence.

Douglas Answer:

Look, one of the main points of my book was to say, “hello, people. If things go a certain way, there’s a Chernobyl like defect built into our system of presidential elections that really could lead to a meltdown.

Iling Question #12:

Are there any precedents for this?

Douglas Answer:

Hayes Tilden ElectionWe came very close to having something like this, happened back in 1876. There was this Hayes-Tilden Election, in which three separate states submitted competing electoral certificates to Congress. Congress was likewise divided between House Democrats and Senate Republicans, and they couldn’t figure anything out. It was a total stalemate. They eventually jerry-rigged a solution, but that solution only worked because Samuel Tilden, the Democratic candidate, agreed to concede.

Again, I don’t see Trump doing that.

Iling Question #13:

This is an astonishing hole in our Constitution. It’s another example of our reliance on norms, not laws or institutions, to keep things humming along.

Douglas Answer:

It’s such a great point. When I was researching the book, I was asking myself, well, what does the Constitution and the federal law do in order to secure the peaceful transition of power? And one of the things that I realized is they don’t secure the peaceful succession of power. They presuppose it. They assume that it’s going to happen. So, if it doesn’t happen, well, no one knows…

Iling Question #14:

Now, on to another worry: could the election be postponed?

Douglas Answer:

No, I don’t think so. The president can’t do that, because Election Day is set by federal law. You could have Congress change the election, but that would require bicameral support and bipartisan support, on that seems highly unlikely.

Iling Question #15:

It feels almost pointless to ask this question, but I’ll do it anyway: Are you confident that our constitutional system can handle what’s potentially coming in November?

Douglas Answer:

No. I have incredible respect and admiration for our constitutional system, but I’ll go back to one of the points you made, which is that the system really assumes that political actors have absorbed the norms that make the system work. But if you have a president who ignores those norms; if you have a party that ignores those norms, that continues to facilitate the rejection those norms; and if you have a fractured media universe that rewards the president for rejecting those norms, then we’re in a very dangerous situation.

The only real way to avoid this is to make sure we don’t enter into this scenario, and the best way to do that is to ensure that he loses decisively in November. That’s the best guarantee. That’s the best way that we can secure the future of a healthy constitutional democracy.

In Conclusion

Amazing book-for all voters, it is a must read before the 2020 elections in November, especially the presidential election. Does there need to be changes to our voting, going forward? Yes. The only system that really works, is the system that all other elections are won and lost, through the popular vote. One Person-One Vote.

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2 thoughts on “Will He Go? Trump’s Possible Meltdown In 2020”

  1. Trump will not leave office peacefully and I am afraid he will be reelected the second term. There are millions of supports who support his ways and I am not one of them. The COVID-19 already concerns me when voting starts, as they are discussing in some states mail the votes in. My concern with this is, will every vote be counted or loss in mail? I like that you expressed your concerns of Trump defeat as many afraid to write about Trump for retaliation.

    1. Thank you Janette for your comment, I am also concerned about mail in voting and lack of voting due to the coronavirus, but in my opinion this is the most important vote that I will ever make, most likely in my life. I live in Colorado and we have had mail in voting for years, and nothing has ever happened with the results of that.

      However this November, I have to admit, that this year could be different, because he has cheated once in 2016 to win an election and why would he not do it again, especially since he was never held accountable for it. But on that note, I do appreciate your comment, and please vote and tell others to vote. This will be the most important vote to keep our democracy.

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